The reasons why the Labour Party will never allow Scottish Independence

28 Aug

Indulge me? Why not? Just for a few minutes? Okay we’re off then…

I did a blog a few weeks back entitled – The reasons why Westminster will never allow Scottish Independence. Zappy little title that is it not?

Anyway, this blog article is a follow up on the previous one but looking from a Labour Party perspective.

You’ll maybe be surprised to learn that the Tories and Labour have joined forces in some councils in Scotland and they have also joined forces and formed a group which is snappily called “Better Together” which is a vehicle for defending the union such as it is at present.

You may also be surprised to learn that the majority of the funding for this “vehicle” is almost entirely provided from Tory Westminster donations. We should get more clarity at a later date but the Yes Scotland campaign will publish details of all donations they receive above £500 and they will not be accepting donations from anyone who is not a registered voter in Scotland, which seems fair to me.

So Labour are accepting donations from Tories. Good grief whatever next. If they keep this up they’ll have to change the parties names to the Conservative Labour and Unionist Party Or the Labour Conservative Union Party. Either way it’s a mouthful. Imagine the Tories and Labour cuddling up together? It must have taken something exceptional for that to happen.

It can’t surely be down to an insignificant wee country who rely on English handouts and have little of value to offer the world winning the right to hold an Independence Referendum could it? Of course not; Labour is a Party, which represents the working man and is very keen on democracy, in fact it’s so keen it will actually engage in wars to help undemocratic countries gain democracy.

There is one question, which I can never find an answer to whilst on this topic. It is – Why would England/Westminster want to continue providing hand outs to the Scots when they could just agree Independence is the by far the best way forward? It would mean more money in the coffers of the Treasury would it not?

Labour will never allow Scotland to become independent. Labour needs Scottish MPs in Westminster to fill the benches and maintain a majority. No Scottish MPs would almost certainly mean no further Labour Governments. England is a traditional Conservative vote. Labour just isn’t.

When you see “Scottish Labour Party” what do you think that means? That there is a separate part of the Labour party, which is for Scotland? Well there isn’t. There is only the Labour Party in Scotland, which is nothing but a name. All the power in the Labour Party in Scotland resides in Westminster. All the best politicians within the Labour Party in Scotland rush down to London to make their fortune and their reputations. It has always been thus.

Just look at the MSPs in the Scottish parliament. They are a sorry bunch, not all but most. This came about because they were so sure they would retain their core vote they didn’t bother to play the list game. That meant that a lot of the good ones didn’t get elected and a panic nomination of who was left was required. This showed a staggering arrogance by the party. Scotland belonged to them or so they thought anyway.

Look on the Labour benches at Westminster. Jim Murphy and Douglas Alexander, Margaret Curran, Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling. Good grief. Motley, over the hill, discredited.

So Labour can’t afford Scottish independence. They would have to reinvent themselves in England AND in Scotland. They would have to set up a completely independent party in Scotland for a start.

Isn’t it amazing? What is? Labour and the Tories working together to stop Scottish Independence. It’s almost unbelievable. Both parties and England as a whole have so much to lose if Scotland gains independence.

Please explain why? Please explain the danger, which needs to be met by two warring opponents setting aside their differences. What have they to lose?

You may also have noted the recent news about the need for the Government to borrow £600 Million to close the gap between spending and taxation receipts. Part of the excuse given by the government was that oil revenues were much lower than anticipated and as such caused them a big hole, not all £600M obviously.

That will be the same oil which is running out, it’s not, which doesn’t bring in much in the way of revenues now, it does and has never contributed that much to exchequer anyway, it has.

Time for a bit of honesty from the Tories, Labour and Westminster in general wouldn’t you say?



Posted by on August 28, 2012 in Politics, Scottish Independence, SNP


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5 responses to “The reasons why the Labour Party will never allow Scottish Independence

  1. Tedious Tantrums

    August 28, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Well Hen would you like to share why it’s a good idea why Scotland remain in the Union? Positive answer would be best.

  2. Stevie

    August 29, 2012 at 1:06 am

    “”””””””””””””””””””Labour will never allow Scotland to become independent. Labour needs Scottish MPs in Westminster to fill the benches and maintain a majority. No Scottish MPs would almost certainly mean no further Labour Governments. England is a traditional Conservative vote. Labour just isn’t.””””””””””””””””

    This is a myth actually (a Labour myth and piece of Labourite mischief) — Labour has made little to no difference to the colour of Westminster’s parliamentary governments over the last 100 years and has made a weak/mostly failing effect upon the Westminster government in about 7,5 years out of the last 70 (come 2015).

    Labour got into power with a rare majority in 1945 and was kicked out the election after. It is this one government 5 year term that gives them their place in history — otherwise nothing really (a bit of trade union law with Wilson).

    In truth, whatever England votes is what the parliament reflects.

    See the Scottish Independence Library link for details

    • Tedious Tantrums

      August 29, 2012 at 8:32 am

      Which means that the Scottish voter is an irrelevance and adds to the need to be able to determine our own future through a democratic system which is basically democratic at least.

      Thanks for your comment Stevie.

  3. poguemahone1314pogue mahone

    August 29, 2012 at 6:13 am

    it was nearer a £2 and a half billion shortfall… Osbourne had pledged to pay £2bill a month to the national debt… the fact they had to borrow £600mill over and above this shows how important oil is to their economy

    • Tedious Tantrums

      August 29, 2012 at 8:36 am

      Thanks for your comment.

      No matter how the government or the exchequer cut it oil revenues makes a huge difference.In most parts of the world where oil has been found the state,county or region have received or have held onto more of the revenues. Apart from Scotland which has been conned for years.


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